Q&A Followup with Ion Hazzikostas

by Its_Immanis - 9 years ago     show comments

After the initial Q&A session on Saturday, Ion Hazzikostas took to the forums today to follow up on some of the answers he provided, as well as answering a few more questions there wasn’t time to get to during the actual event. There’s quite a bit of additional information here which should provide more insight as to why certain classes are being nerfed (Demo Warlocks), aren’t being nerfed (Disc Priests) and other changes which have some people saying “It’s about time” and others asking “WTF?”

Now, Lore gave me a list of questions that we didn’t get to on Saturday, and I’d like to take a stab at answering a few more. Some of these are things I could probably ramble on about for pages, but I’ll try to stay concise to keep the responses in line with the content of the rest of the Q&A.

Q: “How has itemisation in WoD worked out thus far? Are you happy with new stats? Bonus gear properties? Enchants?” – @MagdalenaDK
A: Overall, we’re happy with how most of the changes have played out. Bonus gear properties in particular keep “farm” content potentially rewarding and create some extra moments of excitement, as designed. Tertiary stats were too weak initially, but since the 6.1 changes they’re in a good place – I’ve seen people get more excited for a huge Speed or Avoidance bump on a primary gear slot than they would have been over a socket, which is pretty cool. As far as stats go, and this may surprise players somewhat, we’re pretty satisfied with how Versatility has turned out – it’s a simple baseline stat that’s easy to understand, and has some depth to it especially in PvP. It may not be the favorite stat of any damage-dealing raiders, but that’s okay – it’s a solid baseline. Multistrike is probably the weakest of our current stats from a design perspective. Mechanically it’s very similar to crit, except where we’ve added specific class mechanics to hook into it and bolster it as a stat. There may be a visceral feel at times to firing extra missiles, but when you’re firing a ton of projectiles all the time, that also comes at the expense of lessening the impact of each individual missile and cast.

My thoughts:I honestly doubt he’s seen someone more excited about extra speed or avoidance, but I’m not on his raid team so I don’t know. I’m certainly glad I don’t have to regem/enchant/reforge my gear every time I get a new piece, but at the same time RNG is very annoying. Having to reroll the stats on a crafted item multiple times to make it worthwhile as a piece of raid gear can get really frustrating and expensive, especially if you turn around and an item with the same stats drops the next week during your raid.

Malon: I think that many people underestimate the convenience and fun of being able to equip an item right away, mid-raid. In Mists, an upgrade had no effect until the following night, after your hit and expertise had been rebalanced, and the piece had been gemmed and enchanted. Now, you can equip it instantly – even if you need to beg a gem from a raid mate. It’s a huge quality-of-life improvement, and in my eyes far outweighs the supposed ‘value’ of perfecting gear through reforging.

Q: Any plans on another stat squish? This last one didn’t seem to do much. – @RippleTideWoW
A: Well, players are currently dealing damage roughly on par with what we saw at the end of Dragon Soul almost 4 years ago, which is fairly significant. If not for the squish, we’d be seeing DPS values in the millions, player health well into the millions, gear having 5-digit amounts of each stat, and so forth. So the squish did do quite a bit. Experience has shown, however, that if a full tier of gear doesn’t increase player stats by at least 10-15%, upgrades feel unrewarding. The compounding nature of that growth does mean that numbers will get unwieldy over time. We don’t see the need for another stat squish in the very near future, but we’ll likely end up doing one again eventually.

My thoughts: I asked shortly after the squish if this was going to be a trend every expac because (as we’re seeing when looking at the PTR numbers) the numbers seem to be getting a bit out of control already. They said at the time that it wouldn’t be happening every expansion so until we start hearing information about 7.0 we’ll just have to wait to find out if they’re going to do another one then or wait until the expansion after that.

Malon: It might be controversial, but the squish should have gone further. We returned to a level roughly equivalent to the end of Wrath of the Lich King, but post-Burning Crusade might have better, and delayed the next squish for longer. The squish hasn’t had an impact on anyone’s enjoyment of the game, as far as I can tell – it happened, people dealt with it and moved on. What’s the harm in doing it again?

Q: Will the kick tool be improved to be less prone to abuse? – Evangelia
A: The vote-to-kick system in our Group Finder is definitely due for some improvements. The system was designed alongside the original introduction of the LFG tool years ago, in a world where the default loot method was Need/Greed and a major issue was people abusing the kick feature to eliminate competition for loot. Nowadays, there are far fewer selfish motivations for initiating a kick, and so it makes sense for us to reevaluate that design. In Raid Finder in particular, one person who is griefing is having a negative impact on the gameplay experience of up to 24 other players, and we should make sure we’re weighting the protections provided by the system accordingly. We are working on making some subtle adjustments to the logic involved that should address some of these issues: for example, just because you’re in combat doesn’t mean you shouldn’t be able to kick someone who deserves it – that restriction used to be in place to prevent loot abuse, but now loot is mailed to players who aren’t around to receive it. We’ll continue to keep an eye on the system and make additional tweaks aimed at reducing player frustration.

My thoughts:The Vote-to-Kick issue isn’t really a game issue. It’s a social issue. Players are too quick to kick someone for any (or no) reason whatsoever. Don’t get me wrong. Johnny Awesomesauce standing in the corner facing the wall doing no DPS on Blackhand needs to get kicked. The guy in full Heroic gear ranting about LFR scrubs who don’t follow mechanics does as well. But a new player (or even an old player learning a new class/role or having a bad day) deserves a break. Not everything in this game needs to be srsbzns all the time. Have fun with it.

Q: When will Ele/Enh Shamans get the rework we deserve? Totems are so outdated and irrelevant. – @STVN214
A: Totems could definitely use some love. I’m not sure the core rotations of either spec need an outright “rework,” though there are certainly some issues (Ele Ascendance being numerically underwhelming, Enhance having so many different sources of damage that few individual button presses feel rewarding). Totems historically provided irreplaceable benefits (e.g. Windfury providing extra attacks) that were balanced by the spatial constraint of being tied to a killable totem in a fixed location. Now that drawback often feels unwarranted. There isn’t much that’s cool about an ability like Searing Totem. Powerful area effects like Earthgrab, Windwalk, or Healing Tide fare better, but that isn’t a very long list. We agree that totems need to either be overhauled as a mechanic or that their importance to the shaman class needs to be reduced.

Q: What do Fire and Frost Mages, Ele Shamans… have mana bars for? Will mana matter again at some point? – @Crowvyn
A: For many hybrid casters, mana is little more than a constraint on ability to heal, allowing for hybrid offheals to be potent, but limiting their sustainability so that they clearly fall short of a dedicated healer. Beyond that, we agree, there isn’t much point to the resource for several specs. Mana works well as a healer resource, where mana management and efficiency are designed to be a core part of every healer’s gameplay (some specs’ current situation notwithstanding), but we moved away from having it as a meaningful constraint on DPS output because it generally served as a frustrating constraint in a world where many if not most other DPS specs were not similarly constrained. Arcane mages stand as the exception, but they have a toolkit specifically designed around controlling their mana pools. I don’t think we’re likely to return to a world where Elemental shamans can run themselves out of mana and end up unable to cast Lightning Bolt, but perhaps there are more interesting things that could be done with DPS resource bars in place of mana.

Malon: The last sentence is the most interesting out of this answer. As a Mage, I haven’t paid attention to my mana bar (unless Arcane) since Cataclysm. There have been several suggestions for alternative resources, like Heat for Fire Mages, although I’d be wary of getting rid of mana altogether – it’s an iconic part of caster classes. Even Warlocks use mana in addition to other resources. Something certainly needs to be done, though – at the moment, there’s no need for that blue bar to even be a part of the UI for some specs.

Q: Complex encounter design (positioning) is being trivialized by player-created tools (See: Kromog) Are there plans to curb this? – @jsutan
A: Clever players have been using add-ons to assist with raid coordination since the earliest days of WoW raiding. When these add-ons have crossed a line and approached automating player activity or decisionmaking entirely, we have stepped in to disable or limit the underlying functionality that made that possible. Beyond that, players’ ability to use mods to help keep track of non-random abilities isn’t particularly concerning – as a raider myself, I downloaded Thogar Assist as a reference, but found that by the time my guild defeated the encounter I had long since memorized the train schedule. It is something for us to keep in mind, however, and we do occasionally alter our designs when we realize that a mod would completely trivialize the intended gameplay. Kromog, for example, could have had another dozen or so hand spawn points, and randomly picked a subset of them each phase, preventing any sort of fixed 1-to-1 assignment.

My thoughts:I wouldn’t say that the design is being “trivialized” by the tools being created by players, because the mechanics that come with the design still matter. Kromog is still going to toss you up into the air if you don’t get into one of the hands, and there’s a good chance you’ll die due to the sudden stop at the end of your fall. That’s not exactly trivial. I understand where jsutan is coming from, that if a player has a big green circle on the screen that indicates they need to stand somewhere specific and they do it then they live. But the tools being created aren’t doing the job for the player. They’re not taking control and moving the player. There’s still some free will involved in how and when to use the tools being created for us.

Q: Legacy buff for MoP content, When? – Vert
A: Never. (Or at least not until next time we do a stat squish, technically.) The “legacy buff” that applies to enemies below level 90 once you exceed that level was designed specifically and solely to offset the 6.0 “stat squish,” which compressed the exponential scaling in the items available from level 61 to 90, into linear scaling. Pre-squish, a level 90 player with Pandaria raid gear was literally a dozen times more powerful than they had been at level 80 with Wrath gear. Post-squish that is no longer the case, so we have a special combat modifier in place to preserve the expected gameplay, so that soloing old content does not become harder. Gear higher than item level 463 wasn’t squished, so endgame Mists content designed to be tackled by players of that power level wasn’t affected and no combat scalar is needed. Mists content will increasingly become doable with fewer players than intended, as player power continues to rise, as has always been the case. People already are soloing large chunks of Mists content, and that goal will only become more and more attainable as time goes on and gear continues to improve.

Q: Will hunters and mages get a new raid utility in 6.2? – @Garfurion
A: No. At this point, while we may still be making numerical adjustments, I wouldn’t expect new abilities or class functionality in 6.2. We removed Aspect of the Fox from hunters because they simply did not need it to be unique, viable, and in fact highly desired. It also contributed to elevating ranged classes above melee in many cases, by offsetting one of most casters’ main weaknesses. One of the strengths of melee classes is that they can move along with their target and continue to deal full damage while on the move, while most casters’ throughput suffers if they can’t stand still. In encounter design, we create mechanics and phases with this constraint in mind, with the expectation that a ranged-heavy raid will have its throughput suffer during something like Hans’gar and Franzok’s Stamping Presses phase, or Blackhand’s Massive Demolitions. Each additional Aspect of the Fox eroded this natural melee advantage, and contributed to raid composition and balance issues.

Even without Fox, Hunters are unique in that they are the only ranged DPS that can do nearly everything while on the move, which naturally makes them well-suited to specialized roles on a number of encounters, aside from naturally thriving in high-movement environments. On top of that, Deterrence, Feign Death, Misdirection, and Disengage all allow them to assist with handling mechanics in ways that many other classes cannot. As for Mages, Amplify was not nearly as impactful, but neither was it necessary to justify the inclusion of a class that already brings a versatile toolset, burst damage, control, and useful immunities. A particularly odd feature of both Aspect of the Fox and Amplify Magic is that neither ability had any apparent use whatsoever when solo, which contributed to their awkwardness.

In short, we added those abilities in 6.0 because we were concerned that mages and hunters might not be well-represented without some new and unique raid cooldown, but having observed how they have played out in practice, those concerns were likely unfounded, leaving us with two new niche abilities at a time where we have otherwise been trying to streamline the contents of class spellbooks. Thus, we’re removing them in 6.2.

Malon: The addition of Amplify Magic was welcomed by Mages – until we saw that it had no use in solo play. Even our few self-heals, which are percentage-based, get no benefit from the spell. It’s a useful small cooldown, but I seriously doubt that any Mages were getting picked up by a team for this ability. Aspect of the Fox is a different beast, and Ion was right to dedicate most of his answer to the spell: it trivialised some mechanics entirely. My raid group, currently working on mythic Blackhand, has relied on AotF heavily throughout BRF to help our healers. Hunters would certainly be chosen based on the strength of this single cooldown, and while I might not like its removal, I understand the reasoning.

We’ll keep an eye out for more information from Watcher to see if he follows up any further on the Q&A.